tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post1316470966859132478..comments2023-11-05T09:25:35.287+01:00Comments on Heaven Is Above Your Head: You'll Never Be CoolThe Boy and the Cloudhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14706716989785699643noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-78370803920048945472009-01-03T23:30:00.000+01:002009-01-03T23:30:00.000+01:00by farewell i simply meant that they announced it ...by farewell i simply meant that they announced it as their last release.<BR/><BR/>suggestion is far from imposition, i think.<BR/><BR/>i also think 'good' and 'cool' are very different adjectives. good mostly has to do with personally approving of something, whereas what is cool is much more determined by a consensus within a certain social spheres. i don't think anyone believes smoking is good. some people probably think it's cool however.<BR/><BR/>i love comet gain but i don't care if that's cool or not. and i'm not saying that to be cool.The Boy and the Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14706716989785699643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-26343912673583970152009-01-03T20:00:00.000+01:002009-01-03T20:00:00.000+01:00well, i fail to see how a comp of singles, ep's, e...well, i fail to see how a comp of singles, ep's, etc is a "farewell to their faithful fanbase" and does not imply some element of entitled status for being part of said "faithful fanbase." <BR/><BR/>you may not be in the position to impose rules, and no one may be, but are you not attempting to do so in your critique? <BR/><BR/>i guess it seems, in some regard, that this dissapointment you feel does have a relationship to this concept of cool you dismiss. now it may be a different concept of what is "good" or "cool" or whatever term you choose, but it is a similar idea of maintaining a notion or standard of how you wish things to be. your idea of "cool" is different from tom's which is different from dick's which is different from harry's. <BR/><BR/>and a point that the "bad" behavior of smoking and drinking presented in the video is repeatedly being done by members of the band whose video it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-49530419825615368422009-01-03T17:56:00.000+01:002009-01-03T17:56:00.000+01:00i'd say such statements stem from disappointment a...i'd say such statements stem from disappointment and not much else. any sense of entitlement or exclusion lies in the interpretation of the reader, as is the case with my interpretation of said video.<BR/><BR/>i don't think i'm in any position to impose rules on anyone, do you? style is not so much about rules as conscious imitation anyway. you adopt a style - you aren't assigned one.The Boy and the Cloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14706716989785699643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-53110608283550195852009-01-03T02:30:00.000+01:002009-01-03T02:30:00.000+01:00Since when has listening to Comet Gain been cool, ...<I> Since when has listening to Comet Gain been cool, I have to ask? Not during the years I've listened to them - that's for sure. And least of all now, after the half-arsed gig at Indietracks and a farewell to their faithful fanbase with a record that compiles a heap of tracks from 7"s and 12"s that those fans are likely to have lining their walls. And about three unreleased tracks, let's not forget.</I><BR/><BR/>such statements of entitlement and exclusion stem from the exact same place as a)being "cool" and b)feeling excluded from the very same.<BR/><BR/><I>Nothing's been edited out, and I don't think it should be, but maybe this simply isn't the right forum for cinéma vérité.</I><BR/><BR/>yes, let us impose rules similar to those stylistic ones you decry in the same post. you see how your doing the exact same thing you claim to critique?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-67852256128998585972008-12-01T20:16:00.000+01:002008-12-01T20:16:00.000+01:00Oh, I think it was there well before B&S - the...Oh, I think it was there well before B&S - the Sarah bands were pretty much split between those into 60s cool (Sea Urchins, Sweetest Ache) and those that weren't. <BR/><BR/>In the Creation era you had Primal Scream and Pete Astor and the Mary Chain - it was no surprise they all jumped to major labels. McGee was always looking for Oasis, as much as he loved Felt or The Pastels.<BR/><BR/>BUT . . . I've seen the other side too. When you get people who believe that indiepop is just about tweeness and extreme amateurism, or some other really elitist definition that excludes good old joy in pop music and dressing up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-64926750805426878622008-11-25T14:53:00.000+01:002008-11-25T14:53:00.000+01:00Exakt min tanke, när jag såg videon för första gån...Exakt min tanke, när jag såg videon för första gången häromdagen. Att gå till TAF är lite som att dras in i en cool competetion, och komma sist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-54336954692939984272008-11-23T12:53:00.000+01:002008-11-23T12:53:00.000+01:00Great post Kris. I often get a bit frustrated and ...Great post Kris. I often get a bit frustrated and angry by this attempt to suddenly sell indiepop as cool but then I remember that it isn't and it'll never be and I fall asleep listening to Horowitz.Marianthihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10916881789046735215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-91959538555349333912008-11-22T17:44:00.000+01:002008-11-22T17:44:00.000+01:00Good piece Kris! My initial thought on watching th...Good piece Kris! My initial thought on watching the video was that I didn't realise so many people still smoked. And seemingly think it is cool as well!! I agree with you. It is a world away from Indietracks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-38848228262928425012008-11-19T22:18:00.000+01:002008-11-19T22:18:00.000+01:00And, yes, I know plenty of lovely B&S fans, ma...And, yes, I know plenty of lovely B&S fans, many of them longtime, too. And certainly the band has sponsored a homey event or five, and its most active fans have been very inclusive. <BR/><BR/>But you have to admit that B&S is lyrically (and visually) hung up on glamorous bohemianism to the nth degree. And there's no doubt that some listeners--not all, and probably mostly younger ones--identify with some of the enigmatic, hipsterish folks in B&S character studies. (This phenom has been fact-checked by talking to a friend who got into B&S while he was in, gulp, high school. The arty-hothouse world evoked on Sinister beckoned to him emphatically.) Those characters are different than the kitchen-sink-/teenage-drama Everypeople of Smiths lyrics, and they're not ridiculed in the knowing, postpunk way they might have been in an Orange Juice, Felt, or Microdisney song, so they can seem very appealing. How dreamy to take pictures of your obsessions or sculpt figures of the Velvet Underground--or at least to be among those who might!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-49140134579915687682008-11-18T20:41:00.000+01:002008-11-18T20:41:00.000+01:00I think it's a bit harsh to blame Belle and Sebast...I think it's a bit harsh to blame Belle and Sebastian. I was at the launch of "If You're Feeling Sinister" and their mums and grannies were there! They by no means pulled a cheek sucking-in poseur 'cool' crowd. It was a very homely event and one which at the time seemed completely inclusive.<BR/><BR/>I was also at the Glasgow Twee As Flump night documented in the Comet Gain video and if they'd just panned the camera round a few yards they'd have got a 'hideously ugly' 36 yr old Scots bloke for their video which would have hushed the naysayers' voices :) <BR/><BR/>I'd like to salute Peter Parker for being the opposite of 'coo' and for being some of the most inclusive and welcoming people I've had the good fortune to meet at a gig. Their sense of fun and desire to see EVERYONE have a great time was actually quite moving. I know I sound like a soppy old duffer saying that but that's how I felt on the night.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for wrongly IDing ya, Kris. I guess the YouTube window was too wee and my specs too grimy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-68956797889071320262008-11-18T14:28:00.000+01:002008-11-18T14:28:00.000+01:00Just for fun, let's assign blame. I nominate (...Just for fun, let's assign blame. I nominate (early) Belle and Sebastian. Certainly many younger indie-pop fans have come to the music through B&S, and I can think of no other band associated with the genre so dedicated to cultish bohemianism, whether documenting it in songs or cultivating it in record covers, publicity photos, and the like. I'm sure that the Postcard and Living Room scenes had their coolness quotients, too, but Orange Juice, at least, merrily punctured hipsterism in its lyrics. (Whether the the early-'80s Creation folks' wide-ranging interests in mod, punk, psychedelia, postpunk, and do forth translated into social openness, I dunno. But I can dream...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5542858901398421078.post-69153220455525378702008-11-14T23:46:00.000+01:002008-11-14T23:46:00.000+01:00Voilà !c'est exactement cela ...Voilà !<BR/>c'est exactement cela ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com